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welcome back everybody gonna be a cool

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show today uh we have a uh a a sort of a

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legend UFO Hunter I mean this guy's a

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former police officer trained Observer

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uh you know he's uh been researching

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UFOs for 35 years he's had TV programs

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like alien highway he's written books

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he's got a cool blog we were chatting

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with the UFO nut himself Mr Chuck

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Zukowski and uh Jason you've chatted

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with him before right early on in UAP

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studies podcast life yeah uh early on he

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was actually gracious enough to uh join

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me when I first started the podcast I

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was by myself complete loser nobody was

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listening to me and he still came on the

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podcast and did I think two interviews

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with us at the time so it's great to you

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know come full circle now that

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everybody's here have him back on again

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and get to talk with him again for sure

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yeah and I'm sure it promises to be an

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interesting episode Chuck's always got

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lots to say and he's a fact-based guy he

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doesn't get too out there with opinion

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but goes where the evidence is he's our

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kind of guy so we'll be right back Mr

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all right welcome back everybody to

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another episode of UAP studies podcast

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my name is Louis Borges joining me as

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always my good friend and illustrious

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co-host Jason Gilman how are you good

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I'm doing very good how are you I'm good

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this is an evening recording which we

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don't usually do so it's kind of feels

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different it's dark outside in winter

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time but uh I'm a little thrown off yeah

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yeah exactly we're still doing what we

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do we're talking to big name people

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really intelligent Minds trained

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observers in fact no more train and

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zerber would be a police officer we have

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a former one who knows the stigma that

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you know is associated with discussing

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this topic or even researching this kind

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of thing and a lot of you might

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recognize them from shows like alien

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highway and books written about him like

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the 37 parallels so we're very excited

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to have back on the show again Mr Chuck

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Zukowski hey thank you very much thank

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you for having me on your show and

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thanks for pronouncing my last name

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correctly is it polish uh it is it's

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well actually it's Polish Russian

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depending on that time of a century

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where either Russia occupied Poland sure

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Poland occupied Poland but uh it's it's

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kind of I'm actually uh a Mexican

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Pollock so uh I heard the same joke

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Mexicans walking a bar it's an

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interesting thing my dad was polish and

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my mom about hispanic Mexican so uh uh

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you know kind of grew up in a kind of a

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rich environment you know Polish

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sausages rolled up in tortillas yeah oh

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nice hybrid food at its best yes colon

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blockers if anything right yes the UFOs

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and all this crazy stuff I mean you had

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regular dude and then what happened

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um the the police officer stuff it was a

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volunteer I was the volunteer deputy

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sheriff for eight eight years

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a researcher performance how about 35

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years uh my day job is uh I see Mass

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being involved in microchip design and

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some of the projects I've been on from

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uh spy satellites DOD projects to lidar

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traffic light controllers it gives me an

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opportunity of seeing what technology we

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should have and the technology we should

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have in the next you know decade or so

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compared to some of the technology

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that's flying around out there and uh so

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it's really interesting I get a little

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faces and and voices and and the way

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being a UFO investigator because I've

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teaching people and unless they really

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did something you know really wrong you

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what you did wrong and trying to to uh

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has to be an obsession right to uh get

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this involved into it I mean you you

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doing this at a point where like the

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stigma was I mean it's okay for us now

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to come out as you know podcasters

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researchers investigators because it's

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safe you know because Pioneers like you

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guys are the ones that really took the

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the cold shoulder that came with the

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territory of ufology right and uh how

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did that feel like how does that feel

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disregarding that and and not listening

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to the people and and getting all you

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stuff people think I'm crazy

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flying objects uh non-human

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unrecognizable technology I had to throw

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you own something like that my license

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investigating UFOs it's more of that aha

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interesting things and phenomenal yeah

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things going on out of here and you guys

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laughing the Vindication is kind of

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laughing back at you yeah

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ground investigating cattle mutilations

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uh because the more uh you know the more

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investigations I do the more I learn

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me having that you know catalations UFO

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stories okay it's not going to be one

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different people because it's going to

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be all slightly different but what you

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do is you find commonalities in every

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one of their stories and you focus on

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that with commonalities

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actually start investigating if it's a

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crime or you're investigating you know a

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UFO because you'd be all over the place

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that color but but when you look at the

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commonality there then you want to focus

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on that at least it gives you something

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degree latitude I was looking at okay so

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what's common with all this besides the

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underground bases and and uh you know

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the UFO sightings and animal meets and

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stuff that's just the top part that's

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just the icing of the cake why is all

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of that and soon found out that the

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majority of aquifers you know underwater

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uh you know containment

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places you know you can hit every one of

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our aquifers across the United States on

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the 37-3 latitude and then

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I've always thought that UFOs were

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um

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you know they like to water they they

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hung around water a lot

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for whatever reason and it didn't have

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to be deep it could be a couple of three

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inches deep you know if it's a stream or

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a water trough or something but seeing a

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lot of sightings were around water

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sources

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so I started thinking about hydrogen you

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know something that that easily you know

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accessible

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from uh you know from water and then

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then you start looking okay well you

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have water sources across 37 hydrogen is

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there because it's in the water then the

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next step you know as a more I matured

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more and more you know on that theory I

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learned that uh there's a lot of

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underground petroleum base

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uh reserves you know are just Pockets

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you know um and uh

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so now you have petroleum also now

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hydrogen can be extracted from petroleum

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and hydrogen can be extracted easily

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from uh water hydrogen can't be

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extracted from our oxygen or our air

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because we don't have that much hydrogen

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in our in our air that we breathe you

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know we have uh it's a lot of nitrogen

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it's a lot of oxygen but not hydrogen

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but so if an alien

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species needed a hydrogen for propulsion

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or to breathe or whatever they can't

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easily access it just from our

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atmosphere just from our from what we

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breathe so that means they'd have to get

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it from water and they could get it from

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uh you know natural resources you know

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petroleum-based resources so it's uh

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it's progressing more and more now and

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I've I'm either progressing beyond that

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too it makes a lot of sense though right

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like hydrogen being such a basic element

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it's like the number one on the periodic

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table it's probably the most abundant in

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the universe so if you were going to

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make a machine that went Interstellar

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you should base it on a fuel that you

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could get just about anywhere

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um so there's a lot of credence to that

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yeah absolutely matter of fact in the

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past couple years uh NASA has determined

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that there's more hydrogen space than

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they thought

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so space itself is just full of hydrogen

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and then when you come here to this

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planet you know it's really hard for

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people to to realize you know our

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um our planet is covered with water what

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70 over 70 percent right covered with

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water what they don't realize is there's

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more water underground than what we see

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above the ground

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what you know there's there's more I

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thought that's what we you know the

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oceans I thought that was that no

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there's there's more underground water

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than we see above ground so we're very

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very hydrogen enriched planet now when

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you look at our natural resources uh you

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know uh with with oil or you know any

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type of petroleum-based product or

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petroleum-based source

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if you you can extract hydrogen

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hydrocarbons from that

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and which led me to another theory back

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in November of last year that

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um

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I think we would be able to find

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skin walker type places or or paranormal

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properties if you will across the U.S

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just based on a couple of things first

364
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off you look at water or you look at

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petroleum uh your reserve areas where

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they're extracting oil from

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in those areas if we happen to have

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higher levels of EMF electromagnetic

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fields that means there's some type of

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of apparatus let's say that's extracting

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you know hydrogen from that increasing

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and creating an EMF field or EMF em

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filled excuse me yeah and

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so you look at those areas if you have a

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high level of electromagnetic field in a

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certain area and that certain areas got

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pockets of hydrogen or water or you know

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natural resources crude oil or you know

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natural gas that might be an area to

380
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look at especially if there's been UFO

381
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sightings in that area so you kind of

382
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tie the three together

383
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if if you if you have an area where

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there's high levels of UFO sightings and

385
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there's water there and there's natural

386
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resources there that might be an area

387
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where there could be a base so there

388
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could be a truck stop if you will or

389
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something and that would be one of the

390
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places to look at the Skinwalker Ranch

391
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in Utah sits right on oil Reserve

392
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San Luis Valley here in Colorado sits

393
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right on water

394
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you know uh there's there's you know

395
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Bradford Ranch

396
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in Arizona sits on water and oil I mean

397
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there's so there's there's areas where

398
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you and I know a couple other ones I

399
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can't I can't mention on this podcast

400
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but

401
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um

402
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,280
that's something to look at but you know

403
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you people have to understand that that

404
00:17:25,789 --> 00:17:24,000
there's no books that are written on

405
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this we you know we're making this up as

406
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we go along and we're making it up based

407
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on our best guesses and all data and I

408
00:17:37,970 --> 00:17:35,880
like to look at data myself because that

409
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makes it a lot harder for debunkers and

410
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Skeptics to throw wrenches in your ideas

411
00:17:46,730 --> 00:17:43,080
where you say you know um

412
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in November 12 2021 I have a a Blog

413
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that's called alien hydrogen hypothesis

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the game changer and if you read that

415
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blog

416
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I show actual you know maps of where the

417
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water is and and where Oil reserves are

418
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and areas where where there's you know

419
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uh UFO sightings and bases and I just

420
00:18:13,130 --> 00:18:10,200
give it you know give it right after to

421
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:13,140
the public and say look you know there's

422
00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:14,640
something to this

423
00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:17,940
uh and maybe we should look at that

424
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:20,640
yeah and how about mines have you

425
00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:22,559
noticed any connection with Minds

426
00:18:27,890 --> 00:18:25,020
because I've spoken to a few people uh

427
00:18:29,570 --> 00:18:27,900
that worked at mines and said that

428
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they've seen some stuff you know at

429
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night uh they would see black triangles

430
00:18:36,110 --> 00:18:34,320
I've even putting a feel out there um

431
00:18:38,330 --> 00:18:36,120
you know when I was a kid I've lived in

432
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a mining town that's where I saw my

433
00:18:43,070 --> 00:18:39,600
first UFO

434
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and uh very up close and personal so it

435
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:46,080
was you know to me always adamant on

436
00:18:49,070 --> 00:18:47,760
looking at Minds like what's the

437
00:18:51,470 --> 00:18:49,080
connection there because they seemed to

438
00:18:53,570 --> 00:18:51,480
be attracted to minerals as well so is

439
00:18:55,549 --> 00:18:53,580
there a lot of those along the uh the

440
00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:55,559
pathway as well like on the 37th

441
00:19:02,090 --> 00:18:58,799
parallel well not so much man-made

442
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,100
you know the minds or crevices more like

443
00:19:07,430 --> 00:19:05,039
caves right underground water sources

444
00:19:09,169 --> 00:19:07,440
there's a lot you know especially when

445
00:19:12,289 --> 00:19:09,179
you get into Missouri when the Merrimack

446
00:19:13,669 --> 00:19:12,299
caverns and you know Joplin spook lights

447
00:19:17,210 --> 00:19:13,679
even that's in an area where there's a

448
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:17,220
lot of caverns uh Dulce New Mexico you

449
00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:21,360
know there's Caverns there there's uh

450
00:19:26,690 --> 00:19:23,880
mines in particular that kind of falls

451
00:19:29,230 --> 00:19:26,700
into another Ferry

452
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,240
um and that goes back to uh you know

453
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she's and I'm trying to remember his

454
00:19:35,289 --> 00:19:32,700
name

455
00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:35,299
who wrote the 12th Planet

456
00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:38,280
uh you know he goes back to the stories

457
00:19:42,110 --> 00:19:40,740
of the ancient Sumerians

458
00:19:45,049 --> 00:19:42,120
um

459
00:19:46,490 --> 00:19:45,059
in in in in in their writings they

460
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basically said

461
00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:48,720
and this is just crazy stuff you know

462
00:19:52,370 --> 00:19:50,820
yeah but you know but this is what the

463
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,380
ancient civilians talked about that

464
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there was there were beings that came to

465
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this planet and at the time they were

466
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like these walking upright hominids you

467
00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:01,919
know sort of like a lot of Bigfoots you

468
00:20:09,049 --> 00:20:05,520
know running around and and uh they

469
00:20:11,870 --> 00:20:09,059
cross you know DNA with those guys and

470
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created kind of like slaves to to mine

471
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uh what we call Gold in what we call

472
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Africa now and ancient Sumerians talk

473
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about that

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um

475
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the reason why supposedly they mined the

476
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gold was

477
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to repair the atmosphere on their own

478
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planet

479
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and you know these are great stories and

480
00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:33,720
it's stuff that I've you know I've read

481
00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:38,100
25 30 years ago but I just I just so so

482
00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:40,740
sorry I just drew the complete block on

483
00:20:47,770 --> 00:20:42,600
the author but he wrote A Few books

484
00:20:53,150 --> 00:20:50,390
thank you very much my man he always

485
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,160
knows the names yeah you know I met him

486
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and it got him to sign one of the books

487
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he's such a cool guy luckily I got to

488
00:21:02,150 --> 00:20:59,760
meet him before he passed but he

489
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:02,160
basically was just looking at Scrolls

490
00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:05,760
that were you know dug up and he was

491
00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:08,580
just reading um decipherium Verbatim

492
00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:10,980
what they were saying uh the Skeptics

493
00:21:15,470 --> 00:21:13,320
were saying well those Scrolls were you

494
00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:15,480
know the stories were probably from a

495
00:21:21,049 --> 00:21:18,360
library where they just made stories up

496
00:21:23,690 --> 00:21:21,059
um the interesting thing is is why would

497
00:21:27,549 --> 00:21:23,700
ancient Sumerians of the ancestors of of

498
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,559
you know of the ancient Egyptians

499
00:21:33,470 --> 00:21:30,480
why would they even think about a story

500
00:21:36,110 --> 00:21:33,480
about space Travelers and and and

501
00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:36,120
meeting a particular type of mineral to

502
00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:38,760
to you know save their atmosphere now

503
00:21:43,789 --> 00:21:41,400
it's interesting because we were kind of

504
00:21:46,250 --> 00:21:43,799
toying with that here you know with harp

505
00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:46,260
a few years ago about seating remember

506
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:49,140
that whole thing with Chemtrails that

507
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,600
whole that whole phenomenon about

508
00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:54,000
Chemtrails and I've actually actually

509
00:21:59,090 --> 00:21:56,700
watched Jets lay down Chemtrails when I

510
00:22:01,610 --> 00:21:59,100
lived in California they were seating

511
00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:01,620
the atmosphere you know to try and and

512
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:05,460
uh you know fix the ozone you know holes

513
00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:08,159
in the ozone layer and they were using

514
00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:10,020
different types of minerals now gold

515
00:22:16,850 --> 00:22:13,799
happens to uh you know be very very

516
00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:16,860
conductive and we use it in microchip

517
00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:19,320
design is one of the metals to conduct

518
00:22:25,370 --> 00:22:22,500
current so you know if you sprinkle the

519
00:22:28,850 --> 00:22:25,380
atmosphere with conductive metals like

520
00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:28,860
aluminum and gold and then you shoot uh

521
00:22:33,649 --> 00:22:31,740
you know microwaves towards them and and

522
00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:33,659
you know what they'll do is you know

523
00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:35,400
they'll excite the electrons or protons

524
00:22:39,770 --> 00:22:37,860
in the metals

525
00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:39,780
you know that was a theory that you know

526
00:22:43,789 --> 00:22:41,580
that's how they were kind of like fixing

527
00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:43,799
the ozone but it's really interesting

528
00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:47,100
when you hear 5 000 years ago you're

529
00:22:53,450 --> 00:22:50,460
reading about 5 000 years ago uh you

530
00:22:55,610 --> 00:22:53,460
know readings you know or or or you know

531
00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:55,620
these Scrolls that were deciphered to

532
00:23:00,049 --> 00:22:57,419
have basically talked about the same

533
00:23:01,850 --> 00:23:00,059
thing just makes you makes you wonder

534
00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:01,860
that's all I mean you can't

535
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,340
you can't say that was fact you know

536
00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:08,159
unless you know for for a fact but you

537
00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:11,640
can like Stanton Freeman always said you

538
00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:13,860
put that information in your gray basket

539
00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:16,260
you leave it there because they may pop

540
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:19,140
up in the future and you may need it you

541
00:23:23,690 --> 00:23:20,820
know like this conversation tonight

542
00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:23,700
right I wanted to ask you since you're a

543
00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:25,620
super techie guy in a microchip engineer

544
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:26,820
and all the rest what do you think about

545
00:23:31,850 --> 00:23:29,760
like super conductors like these metals

546
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:31,860
that have to be held at like minus 400

547
00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:33,240
and then they have these like crazy

548
00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:36,600
properties of propulsion or energy I

549
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,280
just recently started reading about it

550
00:23:42,289 --> 00:23:40,080
and I think it's very cool are you

551
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:42,299
familiar with much about these yeah yeah

552
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:44,940
you know uh it's it's interesting

553
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:46,620
technology and they're still kind of

554
00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:49,919
toying with it uh whether or not we can

555
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:51,960
actually apply it without destroying

556
00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:54,960
ourselves you know it makes sense in in

557
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:56,940
the like uh Universe if you were gonna

558
00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:59,520
travel I mean it's minus several hundred

559
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,620
so having things that work really well

560
00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:03,840
at that temperature I I don't know it

561
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:05,700
seemed to it jived a little bit I

562
00:24:09,049 --> 00:24:07,080
thought hey this is kind of cool I

563
00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:09,059
wonder if there's anything to it well I

564
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:11,880
think um I've always thought that you

565
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,080
know the problem with us humans is

566
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,480
we always relate

567
00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:20,880
traveling to speed

568
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,640
you know 186 000 miles an hour speed

569
00:24:27,289 --> 00:24:25,679
line or whatever right and we can never

570
00:24:31,149 --> 00:24:27,299
go past that

571
00:24:34,430 --> 00:24:31,159
but you know it's but yet

572
00:24:36,289 --> 00:24:34,440
there's craft that's coming into our

573
00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:36,299
atmosphere matter of fact I think it was

574
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:39,960
the Pentagon reclassified the uaps and

575
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:43,500
they added uh that type of vehicle that

576
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:46,440
can travel from space in the air and

577
00:24:50,770 --> 00:24:49,020
then you know and underwater type of

578
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:50,780
thing

579
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:53,600
yeah so they're expanding the definition

580
00:24:59,630 --> 00:24:56,159
but these things you know they're

581
00:25:02,510 --> 00:24:59,640
traveling faster than than our you know

582
00:25:06,049 --> 00:25:02,520
best fighter jets can travel and moving

583
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:06,059
on a dime you know uh making right angle

584
00:25:11,330 --> 00:25:09,299
type Maneuvers traveling extremely fast

585
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:11,340
through the atmosphere and going right

586
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:14,400
into the ocean at that same speed not

587
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,740
even slowing down which means you know

588
00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:18,720
the metals the melology that they're

589
00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:21,960
using is far far beyond our uh you know

590
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:23,880
our capability because it doesn't

591
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,440
collapse who's ever inside that craft

592
00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:30,000
they don't have to worry about G-Force

593
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:32,940
like we do there's something going on in

594
00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:36,380
there that doesn't crush them you know

595
00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:39,960
or whatever that craft is doing

596
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:42,419
is an associated with G-Force like with

597
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:45,179
us it's not a safe City with speed so

598
00:25:48,890 --> 00:25:46,620
when you start traveling through space

599
00:25:52,190 --> 00:25:48,900
are you warping space are you opening

600
00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:52,200
your wormholes or do or are you moving

601
00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:56,220
through folds of space I mean so we have

602
00:26:02,350 --> 00:25:58,140
to look at other things other than just

603
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:02,360
speed the super semiconductor uh or

604
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:05,400
superconductor is is one way of looking

605
00:26:09,950 --> 00:26:07,559
at but you know you're still strapped to

606
00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:09,960
speed with that other things they're

607
00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:11,820
looking at you know just utilizing the

608
00:26:16,730 --> 00:26:13,380
hydrogen itself

609
00:26:18,529 --> 00:26:16,740
and and slowly build up but then you

610
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:18,539
have that whole

611
00:26:22,669 --> 00:26:21,299
you know uh Einstein's area you know the

612
00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:22,679
faster you go

613
00:26:28,850 --> 00:26:26,520
time slows and you know and if you build

614
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:28,860
something fast now to go towards the end

615
00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:31,919
of uh of our you know of our solar

616
00:26:36,049 --> 00:26:32,940
system

617
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:36,059
and it takes 10 years or 20 years to get

618
00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:38,760
there like Voyager right so and within

619
00:26:43,070 --> 00:26:40,440
the next 10 years we build something a

620
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:43,080
little faster it'll pass that one up and

621
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:44,460
then at 10 years we build something

622
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:47,460
it'll pass that you know so it's uh it's

623
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:49,740
one of those never-ending things uh as

624
00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:52,200
technology increases even speed of light

625
00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:53,940
I mean if something is hundreds of

626
00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:56,100
millions of light years away that's

627
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,020
still many millions of years is a

628
00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:00,000
one-way trip right so nobody has that

629
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,580
amount of time so we have if there is

630
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:04,799
such a thing as these craft coming and

631
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:07,020
going they're moving faster than the

632
00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:09,900
speed of light just yeah but you said

633
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:12,539
they could they could actually still be

634
00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:15,480
within the realm of our physics by not

635
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,900
actually moving fast for the speed of

636
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:21,120
light yeah you know they're just they're

637
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:23,340
just jumping from one spot to another

638
00:27:32,990 --> 00:27:24,480
you know

639
00:27:35,149 --> 00:27:33,000
through not not a wormhole or folding

640
00:27:37,789 --> 00:27:35,159
space but you take a bowling ball and

641
00:27:39,649 --> 00:27:37,799
you drop it on your bed and the edges of

642
00:27:41,810 --> 00:27:39,659
your bed get closer to close you'll get

643
00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:41,820
closer because you drop the bowling ball

644
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:43,980
in the middle well you know you've had a

645
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:46,080
bed that was just you know this long and

646
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:47,580
now it's only this long you're only

647
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:50,700
traveling that far by you know by

648
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:53,880
altering that space and so once we can

649
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,120
figure that out and just alter space you

650
00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:58,799
know um then we don't have to worry

651
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:00,419
about the speed of light we don't have

652
00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:03,600
to worry about you know G-Force or

653
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:06,120
affecting us or time or anything no

654
00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:07,860
matter of fact

655
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,000
um it was until recently that I actually

656
00:28:15,769 --> 00:28:13,440
thoughts or actually realized that

657
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,779
Albert Einstein was a real man

658
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,000
you know because all my life I've only

659
00:28:26,269 --> 00:28:20,880
known him as a theoretical physicist

660
00:28:31,789 --> 00:28:29,870
in a second but so of all the years of

661
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,799
that you've been doing this you've had

662
00:28:36,289 --> 00:28:34,320
people obviously criticizing you or you

663
00:28:37,850 --> 00:28:36,299
know saying you know opposite of what

664
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:37,860
you're saying stent Friedman used to

665
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,799
foam at the mouth at his critics because

666
00:28:45,529 --> 00:28:42,960
his critics you know would just judge

667
00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:45,539
him by all the work that he's done they

668
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:47,100
haven't done anything they would just

669
00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:48,960
read through and go well I disagree with

670
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:51,059
you uh well he was actually on the

671
00:28:54,049 --> 00:28:52,320
ground and you're one of those people

672
00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:54,059
that was on the ground you're you know

673
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:56,520
you were elbow deep in it

674
00:28:59,930 --> 00:28:58,260
um how do you feel about the critics

675
00:29:02,210 --> 00:28:59,940
like how does that make you feel now

676
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:02,220
that uh you know the truth is sort of

677
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:04,200
coming out slowly through you know the

678
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:05,760
Congress and stuff like how do you feel

679
00:29:10,909 --> 00:29:08,100
about that well you know um I always

680
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:10,919
call them couch investigators right so

681
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:13,320
yeah basically what they see on TV and

682
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,940
then they just make the you know

683
00:29:18,769 --> 00:29:17,039
opinions and of some assumptions based

684
00:29:21,769 --> 00:29:18,779
on that with actually not even going in

685
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:21,779
field uh now like I said it's just kind

686
00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:24,840
of like you know when it first came out

687
00:29:32,450 --> 00:29:29,220
that uh you know 144 uh sightings were

688
00:29:33,769 --> 00:29:32,460
investigated and only one you know they

689
00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:33,779
could figure out they could actually

690
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,140
figure out it was a balloon and then 143

691
00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:40,559
were unknowns that was an aha moment for

692
00:29:45,049 --> 00:29:42,360
me because that kind of like throws it

693
00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:45,059
like okay look we have you know the NSA

694
00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:48,539
CIA Air Force Army Navy they were all

695
00:29:54,049 --> 00:29:52,020
involved in trying to uh you know figure

696
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:54,059
out what the spider Pilots are seeing

697
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,340
and and they can it became an unknown

698
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:59,279
well they call it you know other you

699
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:01,860
know the document they released but you

700
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:04,380
know other is basically a UFO

701
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,020
or are you AP and you would pay UAP

702
00:30:13,010 --> 00:30:10,320
isn't any any it's not a real act a real

703
00:30:15,889 --> 00:30:13,020
new acronym it's nothing that just came

704
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:15,899
up this lab in UAP that acronym has been

705
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,720
used back in the late 50s so it's just

706
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,880
you know just coming around again but it

707
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:23,279
basically means the same thing

708
00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:25,980
the the cool part is is you know being

709
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,100
involved in microchip design like

710
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:31,440
company I'm Contracting for I have a

711
00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:34,559
contractor I don't I don't work uh as a

712
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:36,659
Sally person and the reason I don't work

713
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,460
as a salary person is because as a

714
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:41,039
contractor if I need to blow off to do

715
00:30:46,130 --> 00:30:43,320
an investigation or do something are you

716
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,140
in a you know podcast or a daytime I can

717
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:49,200
do that if your salary it's a little

718
00:30:54,529 --> 00:30:52,559
harder so about 20 years ago you know

719
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:54,539
um I decided to just do a full-time

720
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:56,700
Contracting and that way I had the time

721
00:31:02,029 --> 00:30:59,520
you know to uh to do what I need to do

722
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:02,039
but when I with Contracting I've worked

723
00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:05,640
at so many different companies until you

724
00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:08,820
know Qualcomm and Rockwell and Western

725
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:10,200
Digital I mean all these all these

726
00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:11,820
biggies yeah

727
00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:13,860
some of the projects I've been involved

728
00:31:18,529 --> 00:31:14,760
with

729
00:31:21,769 --> 00:31:18,539
uh it's it's it's it's interesting where

730
00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:21,779
you deal with the technology and you get

731
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,820
this like a mentioned before you get

732
00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:25,919
this idea of you know what we really

733
00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:28,500
should have and what we could have

734
00:31:34,130 --> 00:31:31,399
uh based on you know uh

735
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,140
what people are perceiving we might have

736
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,000
and then some of these these couch

737
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:38,700
investigators go well you know you can't

738
00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:40,620
do that I mean well actually we're kind

739
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:42,659
of doing it now if you knew anything

740
00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:45,059
about technology it was really

741
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:47,580
interesting years ago we interviewed a

742
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:50,039
guy out of Missouri he's just way off

743
00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:53,100
the in The Boondocks and and

744
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:54,899
um remember the Harrier jet remember

745
00:32:02,450 --> 00:31:58,860
those Yeah Yeah well yeah he had seen

746
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:02,460
one on TV and it flipped him out he had

747
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:06,059
no idea that we had that technology and

748
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:09,059
Harry had been out for decades you know

749
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:11,700
so then again too it's not his fault

750
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:13,919
it's just that you know there's a lot of

751
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,200
people out there that just never get

752
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,480
introduced to you know the technical

753
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:20,640
side of things

754
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:23,520
and uh yeah when they see it uh another

755
00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:26,159
real quick one I have so we are at

756
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:28,460
Disneyland over the last last weekend

757
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:31,500
and uh they uh you know they have like a

758
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:34,200
Marvel Studio section in California

759
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,440
adventure and they have an animatronic

760
00:32:42,529 --> 00:32:38,880
Spider-Man

761
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,539
you know they have like they they have a

762
00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:45,360
character you know actor that plays

763
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,159
Spider-Man and he just kind of like

764
00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:49,919
jumping around and parkour doing things

765
00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:52,200
back and forth and he says okay now I'm

766
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:54,299
really going to try this suit out and

767
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,700
see what it really does and he kind of

768
00:33:01,490 --> 00:32:59,039
runs around a building and what people

769
00:33:03,889 --> 00:33:01,500
don't know is Disney's got this

770
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:03,899
animatronic Spider-Man that they

771
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,500
launched like 50 60 feet in the air and

772
00:33:12,009 --> 00:33:10,020
it and then it does flips it's a robot

773
00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:12,019
you know they launch it it's Free

774
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,179
Falling it does all these flips and what

775
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:16,799
the what the public doesn't see is it

776
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:19,320
comes down on a net

777
00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:21,899
and I and I'm standing or watching this

778
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:24,299
thing it was pretty cool but the people

779
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,000
beside me on both sides oh my God oh my

780
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:29,760
God and there's an app they're like how

781
00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:32,220
can that be done oh my God how can well

782
00:33:35,769 --> 00:33:33,899
you know if you watch Disney plus they

783
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:35,779
they would have they would have known

784
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:38,720
but but when you're in a technical

785
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:40,919
aspect of things you're saying oh yeah

786
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:42,600
yeah no human could do that because of

787
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,700
the g-force of them watching it so it's

788
00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:47,039
got to be some type of animatronic and

789
00:33:51,649 --> 00:33:49,320
he did this real good with that once

790
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:51,659
again that's those people who you know

791
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,640
aren't familiar with technology just

792
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:54,960
kind of flip out

793
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:56,820
and that's just Disney so can you

794
00:34:00,409 --> 00:33:58,679
imagine if they saw a UFO what they

795
00:34:02,450 --> 00:34:00,419
would think yeah

796
00:34:05,389 --> 00:34:02,460
I like the theory too that uh it was a

797
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:05,399
hell put off that um theorized that the

798
00:34:10,010 --> 00:34:07,799
they might be coexisting with us that we

799
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:10,020
just don't know that they're here uh

800
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,580
we're just starting now to pay attention

801
00:34:15,889 --> 00:34:13,679
to them or we now have the technology to

802
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:15,899
detect them same way as uh you know some

803
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:18,060
tribes in some countries that have no

804
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,280
outside influences they're still living

805
00:34:23,329 --> 00:34:22,320
the way that they've lived for thousands

806
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,339
of years

807
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:25,440
and then all of a sudden they see drones

808
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:28,200
or planes fly by like they're aware that

809
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,399
something's going on in the outside

810
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:31,679
world but it doesn't affect them

811
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:34,379
directly until maybe they step out of

812
00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:35,700
their Zone and they start discovering

813
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:38,280
that there's more to the world so I I

814
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:40,200
think that's an interesting Theory like

815
00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:42,300
that's something else that I personally

816
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:44,460
have not explored before and now that

817
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:46,379
it's being brought forward I'm like

818
00:34:51,169 --> 00:34:49,139
it's possible you know it's it's very

819
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,179
much a possibility that they're been

820
00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:52,800
living here for a long time oh

821
00:34:58,510 --> 00:34:55,500
absolutely I've had I've had the

822
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,520
pleasure of uh interviewing and meeting

823
00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:00,960
Native Americans here in the four corner

824
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,240
regions of Colorado not so much when I

825
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:06,000
lived in California but out here in

826
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:09,660
Colorado and and to hear some of their

827
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,380
stories that have been told down through

828
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,560
generations of the Star Travelers and

829
00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:18,480
all kinds of things I mean it goes back

830
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,480
way before Europeans even migrated to

831
00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:23,760
North America some of the things not

832
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:26,460
only just aliens but you know Sasquatch

833
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:29,760
you know Bigfoot also so this is this is

834
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,760
something that they've been aware of for

835
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:33,839
you know

836
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,780
centuries and that that we're just now

837
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,599
getting introduced to in some cases but

838
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,240
when you talk to Native Americans uh you

839
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:44,460
know when I was we were doing our

840
00:35:49,130 --> 00:35:46,680
episode on skin you know that week well

841
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:49,140
it was outside of Skinwalker Ranch in

842
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:52,800
Utah for alien highway uh I had the

843
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:55,440
pleasure of uh interviewing a Native

844
00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:58,500
American Elder with the u-tribe and you

845
00:36:02,270 --> 00:36:00,060
tribe is very

846
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:02,280
prevalent and very common here in

847
00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:05,160
Colorado and then also in Utah

848
00:36:10,210 --> 00:36:07,740
and so I was interviewing him first

849
00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:10,220
before we went on camera

850
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,540
unfortunately his interview never made

851
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:14,400
it on the TV show because we had so much

852
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,500
stuff but

853
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,480
it was just so cool to talk to him

854
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:21,599
because I said well you know uh Native

855
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,160
Americans because I've talked to them I

856
00:36:27,650 --> 00:36:25,440
know that they have names for you know

857
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,660
UFOs and the you know columnists have

858
00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:29,280
different names of you know depending on

859
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,320
the tribe and then they have different

860
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:33,839
names for Bigfoot he goes oh yeah yeah

861
00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:37,740
and I and I said but you know um the

862
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:39,180
great aliens himself that's kind of

863
00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:41,820
interesting and he goes oh you mean you

864
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:45,180
know and he plopped out a ute name for a

865
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:46,380
gray alien

866
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:50,700
and I'm going the youth tribe

867
00:36:56,569 --> 00:36:54,300
has a name for the gray alien

868
00:36:59,870 --> 00:36:56,579
he goes and he goes

869
00:37:02,450 --> 00:36:59,880
I wasn't supposed to say that like well

870
00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:02,460
you know it's okay I'll talk about it

871
00:37:07,069 --> 00:37:04,619
but you'll never you'll have to say it

872
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:07,079
on camera uh certain things that they

873
00:37:12,109 --> 00:37:09,300
can't talk about but

874
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:12,119
um that was that particular word that

875
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,180
they used for gray aliens has been

876
00:37:21,890 --> 00:37:18,480
around for a long long time so it's

877
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:21,900
nothing new it didn't mean gray alien

878
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:25,380
basically it refers more like to ant

879
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:27,720
people and not because they look like

880
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:30,180
ants but because they come out of the

881
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:34,800
ground okay underground bases let's say

882
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:37,500
and matter of fact um

883
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:44,510
Elder slash storytellers that kind of

884
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:47,280
keep those stories going from generation

885
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:50,220
to generation one was Apache one was

886
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,680
Navajo uh both of them I talked to

887
00:37:58,010 --> 00:37:54,720
within a couple years apart so not

888
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:58,020
together and I got about the same story

889
00:38:04,670 --> 00:38:01,920
from both of them okay that uh as far as

890
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:04,680
they were concerned there's four species

891
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:07,079
living on this planet beside us

892
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:09,900
okay so uh

893
00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:12,359
I don't know their name but it kind of

894
00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:14,460
translates to the Blues

895
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:17,099
and the blues are these little two feet

896
00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:21,240
guys that come out of mountains

897
00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,220
and you know they're more of the

898
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:25,740
Protectors of the earth now I wrote a

899
00:38:31,310 --> 00:38:28,500
Blog about that not too long ago because

900
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:31,320
as it turns out leprechauns

901
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:34,020
you know out of Ireland uh

902
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:37,020
do you have Tommyknockers that you know

903
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:38,640
came out of

904
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:43,859
oh uh out of old England area

905
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,660
um I just forgot the name anyway and

906
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:48,240
then you have the menahunis which came

907
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:50,520
out you know which are in Hawaii they're

908
00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:52,980
all about the same height now the Native

909
00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:56,460
Americans also have names for these

910
00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:58,200
little guys that are about two feet tall

911
00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:00,540
and they've had names for them for

912
00:39:06,250 --> 00:39:03,060
centuries you know if you so

913
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,260
that could be a species that not only

914
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:09,359
derived here but you know people seeing

915
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:12,420
Hawaii and Ireland and of course uh you

916
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:15,300
know uh Europe with the Tommyknockers

917
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,740
and we're still getting stories about it

918
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:19,200
so those are the blues then you have the

919
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:20,520
the

920
00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:22,619
and people which basically are degrees

921
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,020
because they come out of the ground then

922
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:27,839
they had a snake people which we refer

923
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,540
to as the reptilians and they're taller

924
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:31,920
and they call them snake people because

925
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:36,240
they're very snake-like these guys now

926
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,780
the the snake or the the ant people come

927
00:39:43,069 --> 00:39:41,040
out of the ground they have their own

928
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:43,079
agenda so it wasn't like the Native

929
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:44,700
Americans were afraid of them but they

930
00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:46,140
have their own agenda and you don't bug

931
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:50,820
them because they they'll bug you back

932
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:55,200
but the snake people basically were bad

933
00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:59,339
guys or maybe they still are and uh you

934
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:01,260
know so much so that you know they were

935
00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:03,300
afraid of them and then they had what

936
00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:06,660
they call the Giants or or there's other

937
00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:08,700
names that they use form of you know

938
00:40:13,069 --> 00:40:10,440
Netflix or whatever you want to call

939
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,079
tall blondes what you want to call it

940
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:16,079
those guys basically had condos here on

941
00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:17,700
this planet and they come visit and they

942
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:19,500
would keep everything in check

943
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,740
and you know if the if the reptilians or

944
00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:25,440
the snake people were were being too

945
00:40:28,910 --> 00:40:27,420
aggressive or whatever you know they

946
00:40:32,089 --> 00:40:28,920
would put them in check because they

947
00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:32,099
seem to be the space cops you know type

948
00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:33,480
of thing but that's kind of how they

949
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:36,180
they you know and that was just a four

950
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:37,980
species

951
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:40,320
um me in particular I'm just trying to

952
00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:45,470
I like the space cop idea I think that'd

953
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:47,099
be a fantastic show wouldn't it be like

954
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:49,260
cops but like space cops you know it's

955
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:51,960
cops well you well you know um Travis

956
00:40:57,050 --> 00:40:54,180
Wall and you guys interview Travis

957
00:40:58,730 --> 00:40:57,060
Walden no not yet no not yet no yeah we

958
00:41:01,970 --> 00:40:58,740
got interviewed Travis Malton because

959
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:01,980
back in 75 when he was abducted and he

960
00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:03,660
was gone for what five six days whatever

961
00:41:10,310 --> 00:41:06,680
it was he actually saw

962
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:10,320
Grays and the tall box you saw two

963
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:11,839
different species

964
00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:14,760
and uh I've been I've lectured with him

965
00:41:19,069 --> 00:41:17,940
a few times uh and you know got to talk

966
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:19,079
to him about it

967
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,020
and you know he's one of those guys

968
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,720
where you know he I don't know how many

969
00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:27,119
polygraph either five or six times he's

970
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:29,400
been polygraphed and he's never failed

971
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,300
one yeah and the uh the guys that The

972
00:41:37,849 --> 00:41:35,760
Lumberjacks that he worked with

973
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,859
um they've never failed a polygraph too

974
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:40,200
there was a couple instances where they

975
00:41:44,690 --> 00:41:42,540
said that it was inconclusive because a

976
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,700
couple of guys you know they didn't

977
00:41:49,069 --> 00:41:46,560
answer some of the questions because

978
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:49,079
they were mad or whatever but uh or for

979
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:50,760
whatever reason but they've never really

980
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:54,300
you know failed a polygraph so there's

981
00:42:01,010 --> 00:41:57,060
some you know there's some validity to

982
00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:01,020
that at least with the tall bonds or the

983
00:42:04,310 --> 00:42:02,220
nephilims or whatever you want to call

984
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:04,320
them and then you know the people of

985
00:42:08,510 --> 00:42:05,820
degrees

986
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,520
and being somebody of Science and we're

987
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:10,079
going to ask you this because Louis and

988
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:13,380
I are huge fans of Bob Lazar so we

989
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,780
believe Bob Lazar I believe his story is

990
00:42:19,609 --> 00:42:17,760
is true and the way he's describing the

991
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,619
crafts and and you know being able to

992
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,599
operate and all that so we huge

993
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:23,460
supporters above us are what are your

994
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:24,900
thoughts on Bob Lazar now that we're

995
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:27,180
putting you on the spots but uh just no

996
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:29,220
no I gotta I got a back of a background

997
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:32,160
somewhere bubbles our ship the sport

998
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:36,660
model back there nice you know um no I I

999
00:42:42,109 --> 00:42:40,320
I I actually I believe him yeah I know

1000
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,119
um I had talked with Stanton Freeman

1001
00:42:47,210 --> 00:42:44,400
when he was you know when he was alive

1002
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:47,220
we we lectured a few times at the same

1003
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,900
time and I just you know at dinners and

1004
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,000
stuff I just with them and he

1005
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,280
wasn't really a Bob Lazar fan

1006
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:55,680
but I think at one point towards the end

1007
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,640
of he found a phone book or something or

1008
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,680
somebody found a phone book at one of

1009
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:03,839
the places he claimed he worked at that

1010
00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:06,780
they said he never did and at Rockwell

1011
00:43:10,670 --> 00:43:08,579
when I worked at Rockwell quarterly the

1012
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:10,680
phone books will go out quarterly back

1013
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:11,940
in the day

1014
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,800
you know paper phone books oh wow

1015
00:43:17,690 --> 00:43:16,079
quarterly yeah about quarterly or so

1016
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:17,700
because people are coming and going so

1017
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,819
accordingly you know and then I remember

1018
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,319
the first time I saw my name in the

1019
00:43:27,530 --> 00:43:24,839
phone book yeah you know like Steve Mark

1020
00:43:30,609 --> 00:43:27,540
I'm somebody I'm someone you know I'm

1021
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:30,619
trying to call my own number it works

1022
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,800
yeah but um so it was one of the

1023
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,200
quarterly phone books that they found at

1024
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:39,839
babazar's name of it at the place that

1025
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:42,060
he claimed you worked at and they

1026
00:43:47,089 --> 00:43:44,880
claimed he never worked at so there was

1027
00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:47,099
you know finally a staff goes well you

1028
00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:47,940
know

1029
00:43:56,890 --> 00:43:52,680
nuclear physicist like me or whatever

1030
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:56,900
but uh not me Stan Freeman but um

1031
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:59,220
bizarre is pretty smart you know and

1032
00:44:02,410 --> 00:44:01,140
then he came out God what is that is it

1033
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:02,420
was it Element

1034
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:06,480
115 115 yeah yeah so he came out with

1035
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,480
that a decade before the Russians

1036
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,520
discovered it remember that's my biggest

1037
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,680
sticking point how do you do that like

1038
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:15,960
and okay you could guess if it was the

1039
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:18,359
next one or two in line but he guessed

1040
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:19,500
the properties of what that would

1041
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:21,060
actually do that it would make good

1042
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:24,359
nuclear fuel like maybe actually gas or

1043
00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:26,940
just did he know yeah yeah yeah yeah

1044
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,339
that was the that was the issue so yeah

1045
00:44:33,290 --> 00:44:30,960
I put a lot of validity in what Bob

1046
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,300
Lazar says and when I lived in

1047
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:36,000
California I was a real stickler for uh

1048
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:37,980
Area 51 anyway in the background too

1049
00:44:44,589 --> 00:44:41,400
there's some pictures oh over there

1050
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:44,599
somewhere of the area 51 that I shot

1051
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,480
26 years or so ago right right after

1052
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,640
Freedom Ridge was taken I was going to

1053
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,440
go to Freedom Ridge and take pictures of

1054
00:44:56,650 --> 00:44:54,240
very 51 but

1055
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:56,660
um Freedom Bridge was taken

1056
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:00,180
land grad by Nellis and I was like

1057
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:02,760
probably one of the first three or four

1058
00:45:07,150 --> 00:45:06,240
people that cut the trail up to Cabo

1059
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,160
Peak

1060
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:10,079
which was this I think you can still get

1061
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:12,420
to take a boutique now

1062
00:45:18,829 --> 00:45:15,180
um I hired a guide at uh you know out of

1063
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,839
Rachel Nevada a lady and we drove like I

1064
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,359
don't know 15 16 miles all around and

1065
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:23,040
got to the backside of ticket boo Peak

1066
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:24,660
and hiked up and it was really

1067
00:45:29,450 --> 00:45:27,540
interesting too because when I when when

1068
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,460
I showed up there was two other

1069
00:45:36,589 --> 00:45:31,920
individuals one definitely was military

1070
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:36,599
hell he was in camels you know and uh

1071
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:38,280
and the other guy would look like a

1072
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:41,220
surfer uh actually the surfer guy was

1073
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:42,839
the one I was more concerned about than

1074
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:44,579
the military guy because you know if

1075
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,260
there's going to be a there's going to

1076
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,760
be an undercover agent he's going to

1077
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:49,680
come across as something yeah you know

1078
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:52,079
some guy going hey dude

1079
00:45:57,410 --> 00:45:54,900
um but they wanted I happened to have a

1080
00:45:59,690 --> 00:45:57,420
four by four and I had enough room so I

1081
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,700
took them to along with a guide and we

1082
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:01,440
went to take a boutique and we hiked to

1083
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:03,900
the top and and took pictures I took

1084
00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:05,220
pictures of it but I see you're still

1085
00:46:09,710 --> 00:46:07,380
still 18 19 miles away from

1086
00:46:11,329 --> 00:46:09,720
but out of the pictures I there's

1087
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:11,339
there's one picture I took where

1088
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,560
something was going across and I was

1089
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,079
able to catch it you know going across

1090
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,720
over well you know so it was pretty cool

1091
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,640
the other cool thing about that was

1092
00:46:23,569 --> 00:46:22,319
about three o'clock or so while we were

1093
00:46:26,210 --> 00:46:23,579
up there

1094
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:26,220
um there was a security change you know

1095
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:28,740
that was that was the the one type of

1096
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:31,140
the day where you know they changed

1097
00:46:36,349 --> 00:46:33,660
personnel and security and so you're

1098
00:46:38,750 --> 00:46:36,359
looking at this Barren desert right at

1099
00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:38,760
area 51's off the distance at a three

1100
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:40,619
o'clock it just comes alive all these

1101
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:41,940
vehicles are moving back and forth

1102
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:44,520
coming and going out of nowhere so there

1103
00:46:50,089 --> 00:46:47,400
was these you know either of these uh

1104
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:50,099
you know camouflage firms or whatever or

1105
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:52,380
whatever but it just like they just

1106
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,020
suddenly appeared moved back and forth

1107
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:56,960
like oh that's awesome

1108
00:47:02,990 --> 00:47:00,480
I did talk to uh the military guy

1109
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:03,000
afterwards uh

1110
00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:05,160
because you know every time I take a

1111
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:06,900
picture he got out of the way you know

1112
00:47:10,250 --> 00:47:08,460
he would never get in I did he finally

1113
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:10,260
got a frame over the back side of him in

1114
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,520
it and uh we got back to uh to the

1115
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:16,920
little alien in and right behind it

1116
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:21,180
there was a trailer park or RV park and

1117
00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:23,460
I had an RV at the time small one

1118
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,960
that I pulled my my 4x4 with and as he

1119
00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:30,000
took off and the surfer guy took off and

1120
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,540
the guy took off I held back a little

1121
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:36,000
bit and I walked around and watched to

1122
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:38,940
see what he got into and he got into a

1123
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:40,920
trailer that was being pulled by a blue

1124
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:43,319
SUV like a Ford Explorer back in the day

1125
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,319
now back in the day blue SUVs was what

1126
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:48,240
the private security were using in area

1127
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:50,700
51. so he got in the trailer and I

1128
00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:52,020
waited a couple minutes and then I

1129
00:47:56,050 --> 00:47:53,400
walked up and I knocked on the trailer

1130
00:47:59,089 --> 00:47:56,060
door and I said kept ground security

1131
00:48:01,730 --> 00:47:59,099
and then you opened the door and I

1132
00:48:03,170 --> 00:48:01,740
looked inside and he had his headlight

1133
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:03,180
you know during the headlight look right

1134
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:05,460
and he says and he looked at me and I go

1135
00:48:09,230 --> 00:48:07,859
oh just the duffel bag is all you had

1136
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:09,240
there's nothing else the trailer was

1137
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:11,460
empty right it's not camping he just had

1138
00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:13,980
a duffel bag and he looked at me and I

1139
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:16,200
thought dude it's obvious I'm I'm no

1140
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:17,460
threat everybody goes now you're no

1141
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:19,319
threat you're just some UFO nut well

1142
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:20,819
that's what I had on my plates

1143
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:23,160
California place your phone up and I

1144
00:48:28,730 --> 00:48:25,140
said 15 minutes off the Record he goes

1145
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:28,740
yeah yeah we I went in and he gave me a

1146
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:30,900
beer we sat down for 15 minutes and we

1147
00:48:33,970 --> 00:48:31,800
totally

1148
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:33,980
it for you know off the record

1149
00:48:38,510 --> 00:48:36,960
of what was going on the bottom line was

1150
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:38,520
is you know

1151
00:48:43,730 --> 00:48:41,880
um he was there because

1152
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:43,740
um they were

1153
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:46,020
kind of well they they were monitoring

1154
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:49,560
emails and the phones from from Rachel

1155
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:52,319
Nevada area and eventually knew I was

1156
00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:53,880
coming in they wanted to find out what I

1157
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:58,500
was all about and so he was there uh and

1158
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:02,160
uh I asked him I said so uh is there

1159
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:04,440
going to be a report written on this oh

1160
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:07,920
yeah your name's gonna be all over it I

1161
00:49:13,069 --> 00:49:11,099
said oh boy Joy where's that going

1162
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:13,079
Nellis where you know he goes I can't

1163
00:49:18,589 --> 00:49:15,480
tell you you know just I turn it in

1164
00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:18,599
the the the funny part of that story is

1165
00:49:24,650 --> 00:49:22,140
this one uh I did a polygraph for the

1166
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,660
sheriff's department after I passed you

1167
00:49:29,329 --> 00:49:26,880
know uh the written and everything and

1168
00:49:31,849 --> 00:49:29,339
the verbal and now do the polygraph and

1169
00:49:33,950 --> 00:49:31,859
a polygraph tester you know he asked me

1170
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:33,960
he says do you have any

1171
00:49:40,849 --> 00:49:37,920
any records on you you know he was like

1172
00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:40,859
criminal record is what he meant I said

1173
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:44,520
while I might have a file on me

1174
00:49:50,270 --> 00:49:47,280
somewhere in the government and he stops

1175
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,280
Mission he goes okay explain it I told

1176
00:49:55,490 --> 00:49:53,520
him the story and he goes and then so

1177
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:55,500
um he turns the machine back and I says

1178
00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:00,480
okay other than that area 51 incident do

1179
00:50:05,809 --> 00:50:03,060
you have any type of

1180
00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:05,819
you know record with you know some type

1181
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,319
of law enforcement meaning a criminal

1182
00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:09,359
record I said no I passed the polygraph

1183
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:12,900
so it's funny how things come back later

1184
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:16,260
on always a paper trail for sure there

1185
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:19,260
is there is uh who knows who's got it

1186
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:21,480
so where can people find you Chuck if

1187
00:50:24,349 --> 00:50:23,160
they want to follow your adventures and

1188
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:24,359
what you're working on where can they

1189
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:27,240
find you well oh ufoenet.com

1190
00:50:33,309 --> 00:50:30,300
uh that's UFO nut I come actually I own

1191
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:33,319
it now so I own you a full nut

1192
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,200
during covet I trademarked it uh the

1193
00:50:42,109 --> 00:50:40,079
websites on LLC so everything I put on

1194
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:42,119
the website I just uh you know there's

1195
00:50:45,890 --> 00:50:43,980
no charge on my website I never charge

1196
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,900
any fees or anything I just you know I

1197
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:48,000
do an investigation and I put it out

1198
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:49,980
there I'm working on an investigation

1199
00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:51,900
right now

1200
00:50:55,609 --> 00:50:54,300
um really cool really really cool it's

1201
00:50:57,950 --> 00:50:55,619
probably another one of these areas

1202
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,960
that's sort of like a skin walker Ranch

1203
00:51:03,470 --> 00:50:59,359
type of area

1204
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:03,480
over here in Colorado where uh they're

1205
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:06,440
uh security cameras have picked up

1206
00:51:12,109 --> 00:51:10,559
metallic craft really cool I wish I

1207
00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:12,119
could share the pictures with you right

1208
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:15,240
now but I can't unfortunately but you

1209
00:51:20,170 --> 00:51:17,460
can clearly see something going boom

1210
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:20,180
boom bam just shooting off it is like

1211
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,059
what and then I just got some more day

1212
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:26,160
uh some more video from just not too

1213
00:51:31,370 --> 00:51:28,980
long ago where something flies by and it

1214
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:31,380
disrupts via camera

1215
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,380
so the camera goes you know so there's

1216
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,200
an em field there's this and that's

1217
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:38,640
something that I've always talked about

1218
00:51:44,650 --> 00:51:41,880
was you know these things the one thing

1219
00:51:47,530 --> 00:51:44,660
the one denominator with all this is

1220
00:51:49,790 --> 00:51:47,540
electromagnetic fields and we can use

1221
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:49,800
electromagnetic fields because there's

1222
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,319
enough evidence at least in the years

1223
00:51:58,609 --> 00:51:54,960
I've been doing this that we might be

1224
00:52:00,410 --> 00:51:58,619
able to track using EMF you know and

1225
00:52:03,230 --> 00:52:00,420
then if the EMF is coming from an area

1226
00:52:06,049 --> 00:52:03,240
where it's high in water or higher than

1227
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:06,059
in you know natural resources and oil

1228
00:52:12,290 --> 00:52:09,839
and stuff then there may be a reason why

1229
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:12,300
that EMF is there maybe they are

1230
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:15,359
extracting the hydrogen uh it's kind of

1231
00:52:19,130 --> 00:52:16,980
interesting stuff you know it's just

1232
00:52:20,569 --> 00:52:19,140
like I said it's you know when you get

1233
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,579
in law enforcement there's books and

1234
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,559
books and books you can read about law

1235
00:52:27,230 --> 00:52:24,720
enforcement but when it comes to the

1236
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:27,240
apology you know there's really not a

1237
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:29,819
lot you know 37th parallel basically is

1238
00:52:34,609 --> 00:52:32,880
just you know about how I started off

1239
00:52:36,890 --> 00:52:34,619
and the things that I've done and the

1240
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:36,900
people that I've worked with and and new

1241
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:39,780
cases and stuff and the ending is kind

1242
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:43,740
of Crypt them right yeah and I'll tell

1243
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:46,740
you real quick the ending okay now uh

1244
00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:48,420
Ben masrick wrote that and he told me

1245
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:49,800
about the ending

1246
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:51,900
and the reason why it's kind of ended

1247
00:52:57,370 --> 00:52:56,099
that way is because at the time

1248
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:57,380
um

1249
00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:00,960
I was referring to Bass you know the

1250
00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:04,500
billionaire that uh is in charge of of

1251
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:09,059
bass and uh and there were some issues

1252
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:11,160
at the time because

1253
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:11,460
[Music]

1254
00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:12,420
um

1255
00:53:17,530 --> 00:53:15,300
you know I didn't want to get sued but I

1256
00:53:21,470 --> 00:53:17,540
knew he was part of

1257
00:53:23,329 --> 00:53:21,480
of the funding from the CIA or from

1258
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,339
somewhere some of the thing what he was

1259
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:25,920
doing he was working with the government

1260
00:53:31,849 --> 00:53:29,040
he just wasn't by himself and as it

1261
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:31,859
turned out I think it was in 2017 it

1262
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,500
came out that when the Pentagon released

1263
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,480
documents that that they had a 22

1264
00:53:40,130 --> 00:53:38,160
million dollar project you know he was

1265
00:53:42,829 --> 00:53:40,140
his name was mentioned

1266
00:53:45,890 --> 00:53:42,839
so um but that's why some of that

1267
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:45,900
cryptic stuff and then the sightings and

1268
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:47,940
stuff I feel like just to clarify we're

1269
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,319
talking about Robert Bigelow correct

1270
00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:50,640
we're talking about I didn't want to say

1271
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:52,920
it but go ahead Robert I guess I'm gonna

1272
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,460
get shot now great oh no dude well no

1273
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:58,079
because it was reminiscent we chat with

1274
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,700
George Knapp he tells us the same thing

1275
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:02,640
right like he went from bass to nibs to

1276
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:05,460
ASAP to atip and the 22 million dollar

1277
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:07,380
budget was kind of a little bit

1278
00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:09,540
incorrectly reported by New York Times

1279
00:54:13,849 --> 00:54:11,880
and but nonetheless yeah he's been the

1280
00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:13,859
guy I think it was who did we talk to

1281
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:15,540
recently Jay and we said who do you

1282
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:17,460
think's behind all this and he said I'm

1283
00:54:20,510 --> 00:54:18,900
pretty sure Robert Bigelow is still

1284
00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:20,520
behind the scenes even though he's not

1285
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:23,400
yeah I think so too yeah a lot of people

1286
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:25,800
are saying to think that interestingly I

1287
00:54:30,049 --> 00:54:28,200
mean I crossed path of Bigelow when I

1288
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:30,059
was with mufon and I was on the Star

1289
00:54:33,230 --> 00:54:30,960
team

1290
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:33,240
and I had academic relation

1291
00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:35,760
investigation with the UFO sighting that

1292
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:37,859
was going to be the very very first star

1293
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:40,200
investigation for mufon and star teams

1294
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:43,740
or you know those individuals who move

1295
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:45,240
on that are highly experienced

1296
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:47,400
investigators and so they're they're

1297
00:54:52,370 --> 00:54:49,380
part of an elite group called The Stark

1298
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:52,380
stadium and Robert Bigelow was funding

1299
00:55:00,349 --> 00:54:56,720
that and I found out

1300
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:00,359
just from being an investigator that uh

1301
00:55:05,710 --> 00:55:03,180
he won he was funding it but it wasn't

1302
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:05,720
funding it with his own money

1303
00:55:10,970 --> 00:55:08,700
and uh just only because there was a lot

1304
00:55:16,370 --> 00:55:14,089
evidence that kind of pointed that way I

1305
00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:16,380
mean it didn't come out directly but it

1306
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:17,700
just there was a lot of things that just

1307
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:19,380
didn't make sense as an investigator

1308
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:21,900
what was going on and then when I did

1309
00:55:25,069 --> 00:55:23,640
the Cattlemen relation it was the mic

1310
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:25,079
Duran mutilation

1311
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,660
and I put together a team and I funded

1312
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,040
it we all went out there and did the

1313
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:31,680
investigation and when we came back he

1314
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,079
was supposed to reimburse me and my team

1315
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:36,480
and he says no no I'm not going to do it

1316
00:55:39,470 --> 00:55:37,500
because

1317
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,480
um I'm only going to do those cases

1318
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:41,760
where there's actually evidence of a UFO

1319
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,980
meaning physical evidence of a UFO I

1320
00:55:48,049 --> 00:55:45,839
mean yeah you're an idiot there's not

1321
00:55:50,690 --> 00:55:48,059
going to be evidence physical evidence I

1322
00:55:53,770 --> 00:55:50,700
have a dead cow for crying out loud much

1323
00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:53,780
more evidence than this we got a dead

1324
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:56,700
cows samples and stuff and now you want

1325
00:56:02,569 --> 00:55:58,680
to be like and then later we found that

1326
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:02,579
that that his his own investigative team

1327
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:05,520
that worked for bass they were they were

1328
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:09,240
jumping mufons teams there's only it's

1329
00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:11,700
like okay so every time there's a move

1330
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:14,520
phone was sent out an investigator

1331
00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:16,260
um or anytime there was some type of

1332
00:56:20,930 --> 00:56:19,140
event if it's a star event it's one of

1333
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,940
those events where something phenomenal

1334
00:56:26,329 --> 00:56:23,040
happened and so they send the Star team

1335
00:56:28,849 --> 00:56:26,339
up but they have to ask Robert Bigelow

1336
00:56:30,650 --> 00:56:28,859
first they had to send that sighting to

1337
00:56:32,930 --> 00:56:30,660
him this is not now but back in the day

1338
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:32,940
and he would approve it meaning okay

1339
00:56:37,069 --> 00:56:35,220
I'll fund that but it would take a

1340
00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:37,079
couple of days for him to come back and

1341
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,420
say okay we'll fund that well within

1342
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,000
that couple days we found out and I was

1343
00:56:46,609 --> 00:56:44,400
uh you know at the time I think it was

1344
00:56:48,049 --> 00:56:46,619
assistant director of Colorado and I

1345
00:56:50,089 --> 00:56:48,059
knew all the other directors some of the

1346
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:50,099
other directors in other states he was

1347
00:56:54,829 --> 00:56:52,260
sending his own team out there

1348
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:54,839
and they would jump and move far because

1349
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:56,760
couple of our guys would show up to

1350
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,079
interview the witness and they'd say

1351
00:57:02,450 --> 00:57:00,480
well you're already here you guys are

1352
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:02,460
already here you were here two days ago

1353
00:57:06,589 --> 00:57:04,800
no we weren't we were here now he was no

1354
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,599
you guys are over here well Biggle it's

1355
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:08,880
in his own guys out first keeping all

1356
00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:10,440
the juicy pieces for himself right

1357
00:57:16,250 --> 00:57:12,660
exactly are they going up pretending to

1358
00:57:18,589 --> 00:57:16,260
be MoveOn well I don't know I don't know

1359
00:57:20,329 --> 00:57:18,599
if that's a case or they just showed up

1360
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:20,339
and and said they were you know the

1361
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,140
investigative Society to it but I know

1362
00:57:28,609 --> 00:57:24,960
it happened at least well three times

1363
00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:28,619
and um and then I crossed path with him

1364
00:57:32,329 --> 00:57:30,540
again when

1365
00:57:34,790 --> 00:57:32,339
um my sister and I found a piece of

1366
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:34,800
metal debris during a sanctioned

1367
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,160
archeology at Roswell and the debris

1368
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:40,559
side we were doing a show for a Sci-Fi

1369
00:57:44,990 --> 00:57:42,900
channel it's a real long story but the

1370
00:57:48,049 --> 00:57:45,000
bottom line is is they just wanted

1371
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,059
volunteer investigate or uh uh volunteer

1372
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,640
archaeologists there uh just for

1373
00:57:56,030 --> 00:57:53,520
background while they're shooting the TV

1374
00:57:57,950 --> 00:57:56,040
show and Debbie and I were actually my

1375
00:58:00,109 --> 00:57:57,960
sister Debbie is the on the board

1376
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:00,119
directors for mufon and she's an uh

1377
00:58:06,589 --> 00:58:03,359
state director in mufon of Missouri and

1378
00:58:08,089 --> 00:58:06,599
so we were there and out of all the the

1379
00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:08,099
volunteers were the only two

1380
00:58:14,690 --> 00:58:11,640
investigators besides the hosts which

1381
00:58:15,890 --> 00:58:14,700
were Don Schmidt and Tom Kerry but we're

1382
00:58:17,930 --> 00:58:15,900
digging and we're doing a lot of stuff

1383
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,940
and we realized that we were in the

1384
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:19,680
wrong place and that where I wanted to

1385
00:58:23,329 --> 00:58:21,660
be and on and on because I I'd been

1386
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:23,339
Roswell a few times matter of fact Glenn

1387
00:58:29,329 --> 00:58:27,119
Dennis I knew him uh back in the day

1388
00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:29,339
because I used to move Cloud Roswell was

1389
00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:32,760
was my deal man I was really you know he

1390
00:58:37,309 --> 00:58:34,680
lived in California I always hit Roswell

1391
00:58:39,230 --> 00:58:37,319
every time he went on vacation and uh

1392
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:39,240
Glenn Dennis and Walter hot new me Glenn

1393
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:41,400
Dennis gave me the GPS coordinates to

1394
00:58:46,190 --> 00:58:44,640
debrisa actually to the BLM marker that

1395
00:58:48,349 --> 00:58:46,200
was near the degree side and told me how

1396
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,359
to get there but

1397
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:51,359
so we found oh so the bottom line is is

1398
00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:53,640
I realized that we were in the right in

1399
00:58:59,690 --> 00:58:55,140
the wrong area

1400
00:59:02,089 --> 00:58:59,700
only based on erosion over you know 60

1401
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,099
years or whatever it was and I wanted to

1402
00:59:07,849 --> 00:59:04,799
be over here the everybody in the TV

1403
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:07,859
they wanted us over here and so when

1404
00:59:12,109 --> 00:59:10,200
they finally packed up to leave

1405
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:12,119
um we asked Dr Bill Doman if we could

1406
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,680
come back another day while he's out

1407
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,839
there picking up stuff if we could do

1408
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:18,000
our own dig in the place that I wanted

1409
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:19,680
to dig where

1410
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:23,700
we're over decades the water due to

1411
00:59:28,849 --> 00:59:25,680
erosion would move maybe some of the

1412
00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:28,859
debris why because that's logical

1413
00:59:33,049 --> 00:59:31,619
thinking yeah you just don't look at a

1414
00:59:34,849 --> 00:59:33,059
place where it came down you have to

1415
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:34,859
think about what happened you know over

1416
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:37,680
the decades with rain and you know high

1417
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:38,940
winds and stuff

1418
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:41,880
so um we did and I used a technique

1419
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:45,720
called uh uh well it's it's basically uh

1420
00:59:51,470 --> 00:59:48,900
one by five meter uh skinning dirt off

1421
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:51,480
of the top uh you only have to go down

1422
00:59:55,730 --> 00:59:53,400
that deep to get back down in the 40s

1423
00:59:57,410 --> 00:59:55,740
and they had us going down the Jurassic

1424
00:59:59,630 --> 00:59:57,420
period

1425
01:00:01,370 --> 00:59:59,640
um so I was strip digging is what I was

1426
01:00:04,370 --> 01:00:01,380
and so I was strip digging and my sister

1427
01:00:05,930 --> 01:00:04,380
Debbie was was uh you know she was

1428
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:05,940
shaking the dirt and looking and we

1429
01:00:10,849 --> 01:00:07,760
found a little piece of metal

1430
01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:10,859
and uh had it bagged and then um we

1431
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:12,839
tried to get sci-fi to analyze it more

1432
01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:15,660
we try to get the UFO Museum in Roswell

1433
01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:19,380
and they did it so I got a hold of Peace

1434
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:21,180
um at the time I was Contracting at a

1435
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:23,040
company over here that had electrons

1436
01:00:27,410 --> 01:00:25,920
County microscope downstairs and just so

1437
01:00:30,589 --> 01:00:27,420
happened the operator the electron

1438
01:00:32,750 --> 01:00:30,599
scanning microscope was an efos so after

1439
01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:32,760
hour I took a piece in there we you

1440
01:00:37,849 --> 01:00:34,980
checked it out as aluminum silicon alloy

1441
01:00:40,430 --> 01:00:37,859
with Trace elements of titanium

1442
01:00:42,490 --> 01:00:40,440
under eight inches of dirt out in the

1443
01:00:45,730 --> 01:00:42,500
middle of the desert right

1444
01:00:48,349 --> 01:00:45,740
so then I did a press release in Roswell

1445
01:00:50,210 --> 01:00:48,359
and who do you think answered the press

1446
01:00:52,609 --> 01:00:50,220
release to

1447
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,619
do lab analysis on it

1448
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:54,480
Robert Bigelow

1449
01:01:02,289 --> 01:01:00,000
and so he did or his lab did and I'm not

1450
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,299
stupid all right

1451
01:01:08,809 --> 01:01:05,359
I had the the

1452
01:01:12,049 --> 01:01:08,819
museum and the in uh or the archeology

1453
01:01:13,370 --> 01:01:12,059
place in New Mexico had the debris

1454
01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:13,380
um I talked to them and we did a

1455
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:15,540
documentation I had them cut a piece of

1456
01:01:20,030 --> 01:01:17,700
it off for Robert Bigelow so there's

1457
01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:20,040
still a piece left in archive

1458
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,260
and so that piece went to Robert biglow

1459
01:01:27,410 --> 01:01:24,960
within one week I got an email from the

1460
01:01:29,170 --> 01:01:27,420
lab scientist saying it's an unknown

1461
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:29,180
polymer

1462
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:33,359
has

1463
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:35,880
you know like the book of polymers or

1464
01:01:42,170 --> 01:01:38,280
whatever you know of known polymers but

1465
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:42,180
it's an unknown power based on all our

1466
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:43,920
just regular polymers that we use which

1467
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,319
tells me now it's not anything that's

1468
01:01:52,250 --> 01:01:49,200
very common right it's it could still be

1469
01:01:55,069 --> 01:01:52,260
from this planet but it's not

1470
01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:55,079
you know backside of duct tape or it's

1471
01:01:59,030 --> 01:01:57,420
not the aluminum from a bubblegum

1472
01:02:00,890 --> 01:01:59,040
wrapper

1473
01:02:02,569 --> 01:02:00,900
it's not a conventional explanation

1474
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:02,579
right yeah yeah but they just that's an

1475
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:04,500
unknown polymer doesn't mean it's it's

1476
01:02:12,289 --> 01:02:09,000
you know that it's a UFO that's fine but

1477
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,299
but still are huge because because it's

1478
01:02:16,910 --> 01:02:13,920
a piece of uh you know alone second

1479
01:02:19,309 --> 01:02:16,920
alloy it's an unknown polymer and that's

1480
01:02:21,289 --> 01:02:19,319
a lot more than most people would expect

1481
01:02:25,549 --> 01:02:21,299
that came out of eight inches of dirt in

1482
01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:25,559
the middle of the desert right so um

1483
01:02:28,849 --> 01:02:27,180
never heard from them again if you read

1484
01:02:31,069 --> 01:02:28,859
the book right

1485
01:02:33,289 --> 01:02:31,079
a year later I mean I even went over to

1486
01:02:35,390 --> 01:02:33,299
the bass over in Las Vegas

1487
01:02:37,130 --> 01:02:35,400
I didn't actually drive out there on

1488
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:37,140
purpose I just happened to be in the

1489
01:02:41,569 --> 01:02:39,240
area and I went back to see if there was

1490
01:02:42,349 --> 01:02:41,579
any way to get into Basque

1491
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:42,359
um

1492
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:44,700
I got an email back about a year so the

1493
01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:47,520
latest thing oh it was nothing but you

1494
01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:49,859
told me it was not on polymer oh and the

1495
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,900
answer told me when I asked him okay

1496
01:02:56,030 --> 01:02:54,240
what was next what type of analysis

1497
01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:56,040
you're going to do next and they said

1498
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:57,960
well you know we're going to see if it's

1499
01:03:03,170 --> 01:03:00,240
you know from from this planet we're

1500
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,180
going to do another analysis and see if

1501
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:05,520
it's actually from this plant

1502
01:03:08,510 --> 01:03:06,180
um

1503
01:03:09,710 --> 01:03:08,520
anyway a year later you know I'd

1504
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:09,720
probably get it back and you know

1505
01:03:13,549 --> 01:03:11,460
actually Museum got it back and it said

1506
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:13,559
well it was nothing

1507
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:16,260
the cool thing is though about that time

1508
01:03:19,849 --> 01:03:17,520
period

1509
01:03:22,190 --> 01:03:19,859
I know from what the Pentagon was saying

1510
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,200
what they were funding but we knew that

1511
01:03:26,930 --> 01:03:24,480
they were funding before that because

1512
01:03:29,870 --> 01:03:26,940
I found

1513
01:03:31,370 --> 01:03:29,880
it's not hard evidence that that Bigelow

1514
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:31,380
was being funded you know when the Star

1515
01:03:36,289 --> 01:03:33,359
team was going on

1516
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:36,299
so I think that little piece of metal

1517
01:03:42,109 --> 01:03:40,079
might have been part of the Pentagon you

1518
01:03:43,789 --> 01:03:42,119
know money like in other words the

1519
01:03:45,170 --> 01:03:43,799
Pentagon was analyzing it through

1520
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:45,180
Bigelow

1521
01:03:51,049 --> 01:03:48,720
it's pretty cool I think because now you

1522
01:03:55,370 --> 01:03:51,059
know it's like oh uh Pentagon knows

1523
01:04:00,170 --> 01:03:57,829
well you got to keep digging maybe

1524
01:04:02,270 --> 01:04:00,180
you'll find an actual craft one of these

1525
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,280
days or something uh substantial you

1526
01:04:05,569 --> 01:04:04,319
know like that's the thing is you've

1527
01:04:07,849 --> 01:04:05,579
actually been there you've been on the

1528
01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:07,859
ground you've done this work and uh a

1529
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:09,480
lot more than what we can say in an

1530
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:11,760
hour's time uh for the amount of work

1531
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:14,160
that you've done and uh no we thank you

1532
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:15,720
so much for coming on the podcast today

1533
01:04:20,329 --> 01:04:18,480
Chuck it's thank you yeah it's it's

1534
01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:20,339
great to have you on here Louie do you

1535
01:04:23,569 --> 01:04:21,660
have any final questions for our guests

1536
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:23,579
no just also big thanks again it's

1537
01:04:28,190 --> 01:04:25,920
always uh we're younger guys we've been

1538
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:28,200
in this for a long time but only last

1539
01:04:32,510 --> 01:04:30,000
couple years doing shows interviewing

1540
01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:32,520
guys such as yourself and uh yeah it's

1541
01:04:36,410 --> 01:04:34,380
inspirational you know you piqued our

1542
01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:36,420
interest many years ago and it's great

1543
01:04:40,430 --> 01:04:38,700
to chat with you in person and uh find

1544
01:04:41,930 --> 01:04:40,440
out that you're still hard at it so uh

1545
01:04:43,789 --> 01:04:41,940
keep doing what you're doing a lot of

1546
01:04:45,650 --> 01:04:43,799
people appreciate it and you do a very

1547
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:45,660
good job so thank you well thank you

1548
01:04:49,970 --> 01:04:48,240
thank you I mean just just you know

1549
01:04:51,770 --> 01:04:49,980
um you hit my website every now then

1550
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:51,780
you'll find out anything that I find new

1551
01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:53,760
I mean I'm working on a couple of things

1552
01:04:58,130 --> 01:04:55,319
right now covet kind of like missed the

1553
01:04:59,809 --> 01:04:58,140
things up unfortunately you know for a

1554
01:05:02,030 --> 01:04:59,819
lot of people yeah yeah that I was

1555
01:05:04,010 --> 01:05:02,040
working on but like I said that one

1556
01:05:06,109 --> 01:05:04,020
investigation I'm kind of working on and

1557
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:06,119
then I have something else now that just

1558
01:05:11,450 --> 01:05:09,240
popped up this last week and uh whatever

1559
01:05:14,030 --> 01:05:11,460
information I get you know I just put it

1560
01:05:15,289 --> 01:05:14,040
on my website for everybody to you know

1561
01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:15,299
read and then the bottom line is

1562
01:05:19,069 --> 01:05:17,220
everything anything on my website

1563
01:05:22,190 --> 01:05:19,079
challenge me you know I mean that's how

1564
01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:22,200
I learn too right if I'm going in the

1565
01:05:26,510 --> 01:05:23,940
wrong direction challenge me on it tell

1566
01:05:28,910 --> 01:05:26,520
me why'd you go there I mean I can't

1567
01:05:31,549 --> 01:05:28,920
know everything so that's why I do it

1568
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:31,559
yeah you know the information is is not

1569
01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:33,900
to be etched in stone it's to be

1570
01:05:38,809 --> 01:05:37,020
discussed yeah well said Chuck Zukowski

1571
01:05:40,490 --> 01:05:38,819
thank you so much for your time and

1572
01:05:42,349 --> 01:05:40,500
thank you for joining us on uip studies

1573
01:05:45,289 --> 01:05:42,359
thank you very much thank you for having

1574
01:05:49,110 --> 01:05:45,299
me on your show thank you of course